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		<title>By: 2009 Top 10 Software Cooperative News &#124; Software Cooperative News</title>
		<link>http://www.news.software.coop/amazon-kindle-un-selling-books/721/#comment-1021</link>
		<dc:creator>2009 Top 10 Software Cooperative News &#124; Software Cooperative News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Amazon Kindle Un-selling Books was the most-viewed news item on my blog this year. Once again, a lock-out/bad-business story takes the top spot. I don&#8217;t think that one got as much coverage in the mainstream media as they usually do, which probably contributed to the relatively high reader numbers. I feel like I get criticised often for commenting about business ethics, but it does seem to attract a fairly big audience. [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Amazon Kindle Un-selling Books was the most-viewed news item on my blog this year. Once again, a lock-out/bad-business story takes the top spot. I don&#8217;t think that one got as much coverage in the mainstream media as they usually do, which probably contributed to the relatively high reader numbers. I feel like I get criticised often for commenting about business ethics, but it does seem to attract a fairly big audience. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jerome</title>
		<link>http://www.news.software.coop/amazon-kindle-un-selling-books/721/#comment-1020</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mr. Park

So they apologize, then everything is alright, isn&#039;t it? Are you kidding me? Apologies are meaningless and worthless. Every kid knows that, that&#039;s why they are so quick to apologize.

So Amazon apologize and then asked us to trust them, after what they&#039;ve just done and you believe them. [*]

We, the consumers, shouldn&#039;t have to trust the seller just because they say so, in fact we shouldn&#039;t have to trust the seller at all. That&#039;s why there are so many consumer protection laws in the EU (European Union). Any one that does business in the EU has to obey those laws.

As for you defense of Amazon buy saying they don&#039;t sell mp3 with DRM; it falls flat on its face. Like the man said: they sold and sell CD/DVD/Blu-rays with CP; they sell digital downloads with DRM: video, software, games, etc.

Allies!? Are you kidding me? [*]

They are only allies of themselves. Period.

Governments around the world must create laws so that this doesn&#039;t happen again. Making DRM and other forms of copy protection illegal would be a good place to start. But that will never seeing the level of political corruption from lobbies in both Europe and America.

Just look at the copyright extension for audio from the [*] McCreedy European commissioner...

I find it sad that there are so many apologists of DRM and of the Companies that support DRM.

Their normal response is the imbecile: &quot;so what?&quot;

This new generation will sold out the rights that our parents and grandparents fought so hard to win even with their own lives.

Not only consumers but normal citizens are being deprived of their natural rights so that the Content Mafias can be accommodated.

This goes beyond selling defective products, this was outright censorship.

As anyone notice that despite digital files being cheaper to create, store, duplicate and distribute, the price of those products are the same or higher than their traditional equivalents despite being of lower quality?

Just look at the prices of music: everyone sells at the same price; it&#039;s a clear case of price fixing and cartel behaviour!

Is pathetic that people [*] are so eager to excuse their and even go to great lengths to praise then for doing evil, it&#039;s just a consequence of our human education system that produces &quot;sheep&quot; instead of individuals of strong character and personality...

[* - MJ Ray removed text at these points &lt;a href=&quot;/about/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in line with comments policy&lt;/a&gt;.] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mr. Park</p>
<p>So they apologize, then everything is alright, isn&#8217;t it? Are you kidding me? Apologies are meaningless and worthless. Every kid knows that, that&#8217;s why they are so quick to apologize.</p>
<p>So Amazon apologize and then asked us to trust them, after what they&#8217;ve just done and you believe them. [*]</p>
<p>We, the consumers, shouldn&#8217;t have to trust the seller just because they say so, in fact we shouldn&#8217;t have to trust the seller at all. That&#8217;s why there are so many consumer protection laws in the EU (European Union). Any one that does business in the EU has to obey those laws.</p>
<p>As for you defense of Amazon buy saying they don&#8217;t sell mp3 with DRM; it falls flat on its face. Like the man said: they sold and sell CD/DVD/Blu-rays with CP; they sell digital downloads with DRM: video, software, games, etc.</p>
<p>Allies!? Are you kidding me? [*]</p>
<p>They are only allies of themselves. Period.</p>
<p>Governments around the world must create laws so that this doesn&#8217;t happen again. Making DRM and other forms of copy protection illegal would be a good place to start. But that will never seeing the level of political corruption from lobbies in both Europe and America.</p>
<p>Just look at the copyright extension for audio from the [*] McCreedy European commissioner&#8230;</p>
<p>I find it sad that there are so many apologists of DRM and of the Companies that support DRM.</p>
<p>Their normal response is the imbecile: &#8220;so what?&#8221;</p>
<p>This new generation will sold out the rights that our parents and grandparents fought so hard to win even with their own lives.</p>
<p>Not only consumers but normal citizens are being deprived of their natural rights so that the Content Mafias can be accommodated.</p>
<p>This goes beyond selling defective products, this was outright censorship.</p>
<p>As anyone notice that despite digital files being cheaper to create, store, duplicate and distribute, the price of those products are the same or higher than their traditional equivalents despite being of lower quality?</p>
<p>Just look at the prices of music: everyone sells at the same price; it&#8217;s a clear case of price fixing and cartel behaviour!</p>
<p>Is pathetic that people [*] are so eager to excuse their and even go to great lengths to praise then for doing evil, it&#8217;s just a consequence of our human education system that produces &#8220;sheep&#8221; instead of individuals of strong character and personality&#8230;</p>
<p>[* - MJ Ray removed text at these points <a href="/about/" rel="nofollow">in line with comments policy</a>.]</p>
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		<title>By: s j west</title>
		<link>http://www.news.software.coop/amazon-kindle-un-selling-books/721/#comment-1019</link>
		<dc:creator>s j west</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not going to touch a kindle or any device that uses drm with a bargepole, ok a revised copy of say a newspaper every day might be good but it does sound it big bezos has the power to make the truth into untruth.

LONG LIVE BIG BEZOS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to touch a kindle or any device that uses drm with a bargepole, ok a revised copy of say a newspaper every day might be good but it does sound it big bezos has the power to make the truth into untruth.</p>
<p>LONG LIVE BIG BEZOS!</p>
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		<title>By: MJ Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.news.software.coop/amazon-kindle-un-selling-books/721/#comment-1018</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I hadn&#039;t spotted Amazon apologising buried in their forums.  Thanks for pointing that out.

However, while Amazon aren&#039;t villains, their long-standing absurd business method patent attempts mean they aren&#039;t allies either.  And Amazon &lt;strong&gt;did&lt;/strong&gt; sell technologically-protected music - it was corrupt CDs rather than online files, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I hadn&#8217;t spotted Amazon apologising buried in their forums.  Thanks for pointing that out.</p>
<p>However, while Amazon aren&#8217;t villains, their long-standing absurd business method patent attempts mean they aren&#8217;t allies either.  And Amazon <strong>did</strong> sell technologically-protected music &#8211; it was corrupt CDs rather than online files, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Byung Kyu Park</title>
		<link>http://www.news.software.coop/amazon-kindle-un-selling-books/721/#comment-1017</link>
		<dc:creator>Byung Kyu Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, you do know that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/tag/kindle/forum/ref=cm_cd_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&amp;cdForum=Fx1D7SY3BVSESG&amp;cdThread=Tx1FXQPSF67X1IU&amp;displayType=tagsDetail&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Amazon apologized last Thursday&lt;/a&gt;, right? Sure, that doesn&#039;t undo everything, and they have to follow through with a system that doesn&#039;t allow them to delete books even when they want to (probably one that doesn&#039;t have DRM), but their intention is clear and their past actions, save for this one fiasco and their inexplicable grasping on 1-Click patent, they have been on the right side (for one, Amazon never sold DRM&#039;d music).

You do your cause no favor by &quot;punishing&quot; allies for unintentional mistakes for which they have given a sincere apology. We should make sure that they follow through on the apology, but there is no point in making a villain out of someone just for the sake of making a villain out of someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, you do know that <a href="http://www.amazon.com/tag/kindle/forum/ref=cm_cd_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&amp;cdForum=Fx1D7SY3BVSESG&amp;cdThread=Tx1FXQPSF67X1IU&amp;displayType=tagsDetail" rel="nofollow">Amazon apologized last Thursday</a>, right? Sure, that doesn&#8217;t undo everything, and they have to follow through with a system that doesn&#8217;t allow them to delete books even when they want to (probably one that doesn&#8217;t have DRM), but their intention is clear and their past actions, save for this one fiasco and their inexplicable grasping on 1-Click patent, they have been on the right side (for one, Amazon never sold DRM&#8217;d music).</p>
<p>You do your cause no favor by &#8220;punishing&#8221; allies for unintentional mistakes for which they have given a sincere apology. We should make sure that they follow through on the apology, but there is no point in making a villain out of someone just for the sake of making a villain out of someone.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ Ray (mjray) 's status on Monday, 27-Jul-09 08:48:10 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ Ray (mjray) 's status on Monday, 27-Jul-09 08:48:10 UTC - Identi.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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